Comments on: Want Google’s Trust? Here’s How to Buy It.

By: Keith

Keith — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:45:00 +0000

Thanks for the info on 301 Redirecting all of the pages on an old domain to a new one. I asked Matt Cutts if redirecting an old domain to a new domain would transfer the page rank, but he hasn’t responded. Go figure. So you are telling me that a new domain will essentially get the value of an old domain and get in Google within 10 days if you redirect it properly. That’s what I was hoping. Iam doing a test and I’ll let you know the answer as soon as complete here:

http://agitointernetmarketing.blogspot.com

By: Hermen Shermen

Hermen Shermen — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:09:38 +0000

bock … no offense but i don’t believe you

By: searchenginepress.com

searchenginepress.com — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:04:54 +0000

Buying Your Way out of the Sandbox

even more discussion on “the Sandbox” …

By: Managed Dedicated Servers @ Dataracks

Managed Dedicated Servers @ Dataracks — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:46:09 +0000

I got a hitch that aged domains were underrated long ago, but could not prove it. Thanks for confirming this.

By: Prima di comprare un vecchio dominio ’ Posizionamento Google | SEO e Poisizionamento motori di ricerca

Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:25:14 +0000

[...] Che Google amasse e premiasse i domini anziani Ã¨ un dato di fatto, registrato anche sotto brevetto ufficiale di Google.Leggo ora un interessante post da una fonte da tenere sott’occhio (sometimes), ovvero SeoBlackHat, proprio sulla tematica dell’acquisto di un nuovo dominio per farne (spam in questo caso) un nuovo business. In quell’articolo vi sono alcune interessanti osservazioni che val la pena condividere. [...]

By: bock

bock — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:20:35 +0000

I don’t necessisarily agree that the days of being able to rank new sites/new domains quickly in Google are over with by far. In the past month, I’ve had numberous sites that I’ve newly registered (didn’t exist before, no prior incoming links) show up on the first page of Google for keyword terms with a minimum of 1,000,000 competing within 2 weeks. I’ve duplicated this across different topic sites. Right now, two sites on the first page, 4th and 9th, both under a month old.

By: Aaron Pratt

Aaron Pratt — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:11:37 +0000

Ok that sounds like it might be true but answer me this. How come the blogs I added to existing (older) domains are treated like they are new domains? Nope, I believe Google has even tied a knot around this idea as well. Time to get real dude.

By: Andrew Goodman

Andrew Goodman — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:47:32 +0000

Long, long ago on WKRP in Cincinnati, Herb Tarlek had a drinking problem. He took to buying cheap scotch and pouring it into an empty bottle of expensive scotch for the purposes of entertaining clients (and himself). So I say, call the practice of “aging” your domain “to Tarlek”.

By: Brad

Brad — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:17:31 +0000

I disagree!

“Matt did dispel some rumors around the sandbox and it’s relationship to a domain’s age. He said in a PR man’s round about way not to look too deeply into Google’s Patent. He concluded that there are other factors that put sites into the sandbox, and age wasn’t one of the important ones. This tells me two things. One, there is a sandbox effect. Two, the reasons for a site being put into the sandbox aren’t what we think. Perhaps in his next interview he will be willing to indulge in that topic more.” Source: http://www.bluehatseo.com/page/2/

There are tens of thousands of new sites everyday. Inevitably, a percentage will contain quality content, so, from a Google’s perspective, why sandbox them all? Why not attempt to filter out ‘lesser quality sites’ via metrics obtained from Gooogle’s search engine algorithm? For example, once spidered, a site may enter a probationary where it randomly appears in the SERPS for various relevant keywords/phrases. Throughout the probationary period, site visit durations are logged (from SERPS) combined with PR/TrustRank of inbound links. At the end of the probationary period, an algorithmic decision is made to sandbox or not.

From trying to read between the lines, personal experience and experimentation, that’s how I think Google’s algo & sandbox-effect work with new sites.

Additionally, Brad Fallon, and some whitehat/blackhat SEOs, have noted that an inbound link from a PR6 site will often lead to a new site being indexed, sometimes extensively.

“It means the days of buying new domains and ranking well in Google quickly are already over” – I believe the opposite is true. New sites that attract high-PR inbound links early on and possibly combined with Google’s acceptable levels of site-visit durations, will avoid or experience minimal time in the sandbox.

Furthermore, I’m sure Google and other SEs are well aware of how easy it is to buy an old domain to front a spam site.

Brad.

PS: Perhaps the days of blackhat SEOs are numbered. Perhaps it’s time leave the dark-side to embrace the light and witness/accelerate the dawn of a new SEO: the Goldenhat – creators of semi-automated high-quality, unique content sites.