Archive for July, 2009

Tell Me About SEO for Porn Sites

The first response to my call for questions was from J-sin from adult Podcast. He said:

I’d like to propose you cover a “blackhat” topic in the sense that it is taboo to talk about much: true-blue adult site SEO (which would probably also cover other taboo verticals such as gambling). It seems no one in the white hat / gray hat world wants to even address topics which have to deal with porn. And since porn and related sites are supposedly untrusted, or worse discriminated against, by some of the main sources of seeded trust and authority, what other vertically relevant techniques can be used instead or in-place of the general SEO advice.

Summary: Tell me About SEO for Porn Sites.

For Starters: the volume porn search queries and traffic is unrivaled. If you’re coming to the Adult Space from any other niche, you will probably be surprised how easy it is to generate what you once thought was “a lot” of traffic.

After you get yourself all excited about the raw numbers, the the next thing you’ll probably notice is how little that traffic is worth relative to other niches. Whereas other niches might easily pay from 50 cents to $5.00 or more per visitor, TGP (thumbnail Gallery post) traffic is bought, sold and traded for .50 cents to $5.00 per thousand visitors.

So it’s much easier than in other niches to think your having success (because of raw traffic) when, in fact, you’re just pulling in crap traffic. Even moreso than in other niches, you need to be getting the “right” search traffic to get conversions. For that, as with any other niche, the key is to test, Test, TEST!

If you’re not testing which type of traffic actually converts, how do you know what terms to go after? If you don’t know what terms to go after, how do you chose keywords and link anchor text correctly?

You can’t.

It’s easy to pull in 1,000,000 visitors and only make $1000 or less. But with targeted traffic, it is possible to make $1 per visitor (just like any other good niche).

The Search Engine Adult Filter

Another thing to note for the non adult-webmaster is that if your site is heavy in porn words and phrases, it will be put in a certain category in Google. 3 years ago I did a post about adult SEO here on SEO Black Hat, and it destroyed seoblackhat.com’s rankings for non adult related queries. It didn’t do anything from a raw traffic perspective (in fact, I think the numbers went up), but all the G queries shifted. It was so bad, in fact, that I opted to remove the majority of text from that post and make it an image.

That may touch on the “discriminated against” that you eluded to in your question. But in defense of the search engines, there’s generally good reason to err on the side of sending a porn seeker to a non porn site than vice versa.

As to your “vertically relevant technique that can be used in place of SEO”, the answer has to be traffic trading. There aren’t any other niches that use traffic trading as much as the adult space does. Modifiers for the outlist, cheater detection, traffic ratings, smart force equalization, conditional dynamic skimming and hitbot traffic are terms that part of the normal vernacular for serious Adult webmasters. While I’m sure that many of you otherwise savvy webmasters will be scratching your heads at a few of them.

I know that’s a pretty shallow overview but any of you have any slightly more specific questions about the adult space, I’ll be happy to do a followup post.

Promoting New Sites With Existing Sites

Have you ever completely fucked your sleep schedule by staying up later and later until you’re going to sleep at 1 in the afternoon and waking up at 8:30 pm? I’m there right now and feel like a vampire. On to today’s question . . .

Cristoph Asks:

I really want to know how best to leverage your existing sites to promote new ones.

I have a large number of sites, some in the same niche that i’d really like to leverage to promote my new sites.

How best to do this?
I would interlink but dont fancy losing all the sites if something happened

I’m in the same boat. I may be leaving money on the table, but I do very little cross promotion between site that are not in similar niches (among higher traffic, money sites). If I want to interlink within particular niche I generally ask myself:

“Would it make sense for a non-purchased link to be here?”

One of the main benefits for having more than one site in the same niche is for protection against a huge search engine traffic penalty. Assuming the rest of your footprint is spotless (and most people’s are not!) there really shouldn’t be a problem. But links are easy to build – So is the risk worth the reward?

One example of aggressive cross promotional linking can be found if you look on the bottom of bloglines.com, you’ll see they have this link trading scheme on the bottom of their pages with their partners:

Partner Sites: NASCAR | Match | Citysearch | Dictionary | MerchantCircle | ServiceMagic | Pronto | Gifts | Shoes | Expedia | Hotels | Hotwire

It’s the old school footer links. They do work. For those partners, they don’t need to care because of the brands. Those sites are going to show up in the search engines no matter what they do. For the rest of us, we’re probably better off finding other ways to cross promote. And there, everything is on a case by case basis.

There are plenty of other types of cross promotions that focusing on “non-Link Juice” benefits (mostly it’s exposure or customer acquisition). If cross-sale or cross promotion made sense from financial prospective without the link juice, then go for it. Don’t shy away from an upsell or cross promotions because of the Google Boogie Man.

On the other hand, you may have noticed that although seoblackhat has a lot of trust in Google, I never use it to link to any of my other projects. This is, of course, a somewhat extreme example, but a similar principle applies. If it’s just for links and rankings, why not just buy or trade for them off network?

Do you better Idea on how best to Leverage existing networks for new sites? If so, please share them in the comments.

SEOktoberfest Charity Auction

SEOktoberfest 2009 sold out 20 mins after Marcus announced it on his blog. I didn’t even get to press post on the announcement before every ticket was sold. However, we had the idea to auction off the last ticket for charity and reserved one especially for that.

Click here for the charity auction. All proceeds will benefit AMAZONICA.

You´re bidding on the last ticket for the sold out SEOktoberfest 2009 (22nd of September till the 24th of September)

The original ticket price is 5.000 euros, and the 15 tickets were sold out after only 20 minutes!

15 International Online-Marketing Experts, 15 Attendees, and 10 former Playmates – one conference – one big Party!

Here´s what´s happening at SEOktoberfest:

Tuesday, 22nd of September:
10 a.m – 4 p.m. – SEOktoberfest Conference
4 p.m. – 10 p.m. – Oktoberfest at famous Käfer Wiesn-Schnänke
open end – After Party at P1 Club

Wednesday, 23rd of September:
11 a.m. – 8 p.m. – We got a whole luxurious Spa completly rented out for everybody. 6 massage therapists etc. will get you fit again!
8 p.m. – open end – Friends & Family Dinner at Munich´s No.1 Wine-Restaurant Die blaue Donau

Thursday, 24th of September
10 a.m. – 4 p.m. – SEOktoberfest Conference
4. p.m. – 10 p.m. – Oktoberfest at Schützen-Festhalle
open end – After Party at a secret location

What´s included in the price?

Everything!

Every Attendee gets a whole Oktoberfest Outfit – Shoes, Lederhosen, Shirt etc., and everything you eat and / or drink, as well as all the transfers etc. – everything´s included!

Who are the Online Marketing Experts?

Todd Malicoat
Chris Winfield
Bob Rains
Johannes Beus
Brent Csutoras
Cygnus
RSnake
Greg Boser
Barbara Boser
Todd Friesen
Marcus Tandler
Quadszilla
Frank Watson

Sorry there aren’t more slots and that this is turning into an invite only type of thing. I guess it was bound to happen. On the bright side, you can still come if you win the auction and the money goes to a good cause. Happy bidding!

How Horizon Realty Group Fucked Their Online Reputation

Horizon Realty Group must want Googlers to find that they are a sue first ask questions last kind of company; I’m certainly glad to help!

That’s pretty much the opposite of online reputation management.

Thanks for the great questions yesterday – I’m working on the responses tonight.

PS: AS of right now that podcast story is about 9th on Google search for Horizon Realty (depending on how you count).

A Call For More Questions

I’ve gone through most of the questions that were asked and now I’m looking for more. Two things are required to keep this blog going: 1) Motivation (which i’ve been pretty good with this month) and 2) Topics.

The well is starting to run dry as far as what to blog about in the SEO space; what do you need help with? What questions do you want answered?

If you want me to go the offtopic rout and link to things like the theory that time is slowing down and will someday stop or this article that shows has a pic of Endeavour and ISS as it transits across the sun
Endevour and the Sun
I can do that. But I have a feeling that most of you would rather me blog about SEO topics. If that’s the case, then please fire away a new set of questions.

How a good Expired Domain Snapper Should Work

Groneg writes:

“I really would love to hear how a good Expired Domain Snapper should work!”

First off, the Domain Space has matured quite a bit in the last 3 years. The days of finding month old dropped page rank 5 domain with their trust intact are behind us. There are just too many people hunting the same prize.

Moreover, Google has gotten better at resetting the trust from domains that had expired. This may have to do with them being a registrar or it could be just them getting better at what they do.

Registration Status of a Domain

Active 1-10 years
Expired 1-45 days. (normally 35 days)
RGP (Redemption Grace Period) 30 days
Pending Deletion – 5 days
Drop / Available – when a domain can be registered

So, from 36-80 days after the site stops working and the domain is “expired”, it drops and becomes Available. Every top level domain has a time the domains become available at different registrars. So for example, the registrar might say:

.com and .net: Drops between 1 PM and 1.30 PM CST

.org : Drops between 8.30 AM and 9 AM CST

.info names : Drops between 3.30 AM and 4 AM CST

.us names : Drops between 12 AM and 12.30 AM CST

etc.

To catch the dropped domain, you just have to register it after it drops and before anyone else does. Any remotely decent (and most terrible) dropped domains get picked up within 1 second of their drop. Servers are set up to ping registration / buy requests and the dropping time for the domains.

As disheartening as that may sound, it gets worse. Many well known firms like SnapNames, eNom, and Pool plus many of the lesser known domainer whales have insider connections with all the registrars. So even if your server sends the request at just the right time and technically wins the race, odds are the game is already rigged and you lost even though you won.

So to answer the question “How should a good domain snapper work?”

1. Get a list of all the domains you want that will drop each day from each registrar.
2. Flood the servers with buy requests around the time the domains become available. There is a limit to how many requests you can send per minute, but it’s on a per server or IP basis. More servers = more requests.
3. Get insider connections at the registrar to rigg the game for you (it’s not like there’s any oversight.)

For my time and money, there are much lower hanging and tastier fruits. But hey – your mileage may vary.

Twitter Blocked in the White House

It’s too bad.

Not because twitter is useful, but because it destroys productivity.

Banning twitter makes them more likely to pass more bad laws.

See the video where it’s mentioned here.

Oh, and it’s not that I think that Dem laws are any worse than Rep laws. They both really suck and the fewer new laws each year the better.

Competing With 5 Year Old Sites

TC had some pretty good questions here on competing with authority sites.

My brain hurts trying to cut through his sentence structure, so I’ll dissect it and answer piece by piece.

“How do you beat a site that is 5+ years old with a few authority links . . .

You need as many authority links as you need. I never said that a few would do. When your link farms do not produce enough, you link buyers and link ninjas need to be working overtime. Buying links really does work if you do it right.

. . . most of the links are just from pyramids/splogs/1 page sites as you described in your previous posts . . .

No. That’s just one source of links.

. . . and they are really bad as the anchor texts are all almost the same. . .

Yes. That would be terrible. That’s why you need to dramatically vary you anchor text. No more than 5% of your links should have the same anchor text. And you should only hit the 5% mark once: if your sites name is KeywordDeals.com, then you can have 5% of your anchortext say “keyword deals.” Other than that, look at natural linking structures. The distribution is huge. Any time you see 5% of links or more with the same anchor text, you know those links were spammed.

. . .with very few deeplinks . . .

Again, that would be terrible. Why would you have very few deeplinks if you know that you need a majority of you links to be deeplinks?

…. I know this is an awkward question… but any ideas would be great

Very awkward (but only in how it was written).

- The only way I seem to be able to get authority is by buying it (via old domains – dmoz/yahoo listed seems to work very well)

Yes they do. Those are just 2 good quality indicators, though. There are many more.

even when you do “buy it” it can become problematic as you have to get the niche absolutely correct otherwise things tend to go tits up.

Not true. You just need to spend more time on the transition. If the site you bought is offtopic but will be at the top of your pyramid, spend some time to make the transition slowly from the site it is now, to the site it will be. Do it in stages. Consider not deleting the old content, but transitioning them to orphan pages that link to the pages you want. This method is still the best way to bypass the age requirement.

another way I have found is by making a site that “gathers” some new content & links frequently and has done for over a year,

That’s generally not enough time: as you have seen. Unless you got a blockbuster site.

even then it is a struggle… is there some way to get authority in a shorter time span (besides buying it or waiting months?)….?

A site that is naturally a super hit: But the two ways you mentioned work much better and are more reliable.

I don’t expect you to hold my hand through this, but even a slight sniff in the right direction would be great… as I have been struggling to beat rather ordinairy sites with “trust/age” for a while now in multiple niches and just can’t seem to do it, 2nd & 3rd place is great….. but I want 1st…

What’s cool is that you already know all the right answers, you just seem to be struggling to implement what you know to be right. You know the mistakes not to make, but assume that certain methods have those mistakes built into them.

Your assumptions are wrong about what is a constant and what is a variable.

If you know something is a spam indicator (like not enough deep links, not enough authority links or all the same anchor text), the answer is not “oh well, I guess this is gonna look spammy.”

You know the answers. They are so obvious they are staring you in the face. Make the changes in your methods you know you need to make and get those number 1 rankings!

What Do You Read, QuadsZilla?

Got a question yesterday asking what I read.

Well, I stopped reading several blogs when they started getting other people to blog for them. I’d rather have someone post once a month and have it be good, than have them post every day. I REALLY wish there were a way to subscribe by author.

Also, most of the stuff I read is not SEO related. This is what I read:

popurls.com
news.ycombinator.com

I find the comments on slashdot to be some of the most insightful and generraly best on the web.

and this is what I subscribe to:

http://www.bloglines.com/public/QuadsZilla

That’s what I read on the Net. I also like to read books and will probably do a list of 50 or 100 of the best books I’ve read at some point in the not too distant future.

Alright. . . go ahead and spam my comment section with all those great sites I and everyone else should be reading.

Google Bowling: What is it? Does it Work?

After being in the industry for years, we often forget that not everyone is familiar with every term we use. We take lots of knowledge for granted. This is not unique to SEO: it happens in every specialty field.
Here was one of the questions from last week’s Link Pyramid© post:

I have a question… is it possible to bring down a competitor’s site by building a totally obvious link farm, totally interlinked and then linking all of the sites to the competitors site?

If so how many sites would you need in the farm? would the result be dependant upon the competitors original strength. Say a page rank five site, with 5000 existing links of which five are .edu and a page rank spread of mostly PR1’s and rising to about 60 Pr 4’s and 5’s’s. What kind of link farm would destroy a site like this?

I am not asking for any moral judgement of whether any one should actually do this but simply would it work, could a site ever be murdered by malicious linkfarm spamming? – if that is the correct phrase.

The industry phrase is “Google Bowling”: Manipulating the external ranking factors that Google uses to penalize a site against your competitors (or someone you just don’t like or want to appear in the SERPs).

Google Bowling

On the most basic level, it’s exactly what was described in the comment: A really bad / obvious link farm pointed at a competitors site. There is not enough information from the “example” question to give a good “how many bad links would it take” answer. Everything is really on a case by case basis. If you have a site of the target’s strength, how much spamming can you do before you get a penalty?

There are plenty of other ways to get a competitors site banned or totally screwed in Google. Imagine the example where someone leaves a comment on a site with a link. That link is later redirected to a virus. The site is then reported to stopbadware: then everyone who goes to the site from Google is told that the site is potentially harmful for at least a month while they struggle with customer (no)service. There are other, even more malicious ways of taking down sites that I’d rather have as few people know about as possible.

For the Aspiring Google Bowler the question you have to ask yourself is: what are the ranking / banning / penalty factors that Google looks at for the target site / page that YOU have some control over. Add in some social engineering and a mind for mischief and it’s easy to see how Google bowling works.

For the Corporate Customer that really wants to Protect their brand: don’t try to tackle this on your own. If you brand is worth in the millions or billions of dollars: pay the money to have someone manage ALL the SERPs for your brand related queries. While this will be impossible for some brands (Viagra springs to mind), for the vast majority of companies and brands, the SERPs can be sanitized to include only things you want your customers to see: by hook or by crook.

The price for this type of service usually starts at $100k per year and goes up from there (for the people that can actually deliver what they promise). I know a few of the best in the Industry that do this and let me put it this way: it’s worth it for companies that do billions in sales to spend a few million a year on Search Engine Reputation Management over and above what they spend on PPC, links and rankings.